Rain 0 Posted July 21, 2016 Author #61 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Quote Items to @Creius 01 Major Mitigation Potion I = 450 Col [In Stock] Received = 450 Col Link to post Share on other sites
Rain 0 Posted July 21, 2016 Author #62 Share Posted July 21, 2016 (edited) The wanderer rushed into the back of his shop once again. He didn't want to waste time. These potions aren't going to wait for him. He quickly gets to working on potions. Everything was running smoothly at first. Until an explosion was heard. After a few more minutes of silence. The wanderer slams the backdoor open. Soot covered his face. He begins to casually store his new potions. Although there was an explosion he still managed to make 3 perfect potions. 07/22/2016 ID Roll Quality Exp ID# 64425 Craft: 12 Perfect +9 Exp ID# 64426 Craft: 10 (9+1) Rare +6 Exp ID# 64427 Craft: 7 (6+1) Uncommon +4 Exp ID# 64428 Craft: 3 (2+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 64429 Craft: 1 Crit Fail +2 Exp ID# 64430 Craft: 6 (5+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 64431 Craft: 11 (10+1) Perfect +9 Exp ID# 64432 Craft: 11 (10+1) Perfect +9 Exp ID# 64433 Craft: 3 (2+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 64434 Craft: 10 (9+1) Rare +6 Exp ID# 64435 Craft: 4 (3+1) Good +3 Exp Results+57 Exp -11 Mats4 Good1 Minor Health Potion I2 Greater Mitigation Potion I3 Crafter's Tonic Edited July 21, 2016 by Rain Link to post Share on other sites
Xion 0 Posted July 22, 2016 #63 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Xion returned to the wanderer's shop a day or two later to pick up the crystals that he had ordered as he wanted them in order to protect people in the upcoming event boss. "Rain, good to see that the crystals are done..." he said to the man as he took them from the counter. "I shall see you when I next come by for items..." he said before dropping a bag of col on the counter as payment and walking off. -975 col Link to post Share on other sites
Itzal 0 Posted July 22, 2016 #64 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Itzal approached the caravan. He heard about how this player had offered free potion samples but was too late to find him. When he asked around he learned the location of his store. Itzal was mildly surprised that it was a caravan but he knew that some people liked to travel. This person could be one of them. Velnia's tail twitched with excitement as she had never seen a potion before. Nor tasted one. Itzal chuckled and stroked her which produced a purr. He walked in and looked at the owner of the store. He smiled when he had greeted him. "Hey, I heard about your store and decided to pick up some potions. I've got myself into a couple bad situations and figured that I'd like to keep myself from dying," he finished with a grin. "Here's what I'm looking for. I'm pretty sure I can pay it with col." Order Spoiler 1 Minor MIT potion 3 Minor HP potion 1 Greater HP potion 1 Tier 1 over-health Link to post Share on other sites
Rain 0 Posted July 23, 2016 Author #65 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) Quote Items to @Xion 02 Greater Life Crystal I = 1,200 (600 Each) [In stock] 01 Mass Life Crystal I = 750 Col [Made to Order] Guild Discount (50%) Total = 975 Col Quote Items to @Itzal 01 Minor Mitigation Potion I = 150 Col [In Stock] 03 Minor Health Potion I = 450 Col (150 Each) [In Stock] 01 Greater Health Potion I = 300 Col [In Stock] 01 Over Life I = 450 Col [In Stock] Total = 1,350 Col Rushing into the shop once more, the wanderer quickly got started on working potions. He had no time today. Today, he had planned on farming materials as he was slowly getting low. Soon, the wanderer is going to be empty on materials at this rate. That being said, after a few minutes in the back a loud explosion echoed throughout the small establishment. A couple more minutes go by before the wanderer wanders back out with soot covering his face. It didn't deter him at all from his work, however. It seems this happens way too often now. He quickly stores his new potions before grabbing his stuff to head out. 07/23/2016 ID Roll Quality Exp ID# 64550 Craft: 8 (7+1) Uncommon +4 Exp ID# 64551 Craft: 4 (3+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 64552 Craft: 11 (10+1) Perfect +9 Exp ID# 64553 Craft: 12 (11+1) Perfect +9 Exp ID# 64554 Craft: 3 (2+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 64555 Craft: 7 (6+1) Uncommon +4 Exp ID# 64557 Craft: 1 Crit Fail +2 Exp ID# 64558 Craft: 10 (9+1) Rare +6 Exp ID# 64559 Craft: 12 Perfect +9 Exp ID# 64560 Craft: 10 (9+1) Rare +6 Exp ID# 64561 Craft: 9 (8+1) Rare +6 Exp Results+61 Exp -12 Mats (1 Extra for Crystal)2 Good1 Minor Mitigation Potion I 1 Minor Health Potion I2 Greater Health Potion I 1 Greater Life Crystal II2 Major Damage Potion II 1 Major Mitigation Potion II Edited July 23, 2016 by Rain Link to post Share on other sites
Itzal 0 Posted July 23, 2016 #66 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Itzal watched as the man returned with not only the potions but soot covering his face. Itzal heard the explosion and was grateful he chose to seek being a preformer. When the owner handed the potions over Itzal smiled and began the transaction. "Thank you so much," he said as he sent over the proper col amount. "I'll be sure to spread word around ok?" He gave an extra 200 col as a tip before smiling and leaving. Even Velnia cocked her head and smiled with her tongue out. She liked to be a little silly at times like these. When in battle though she could be fearsome. With these potions he should have no problem surviving as long as he kept his head. He waved at the player as he left. "Thanks again!" + 1 Minor MIT potion 3 Minor HP potion 1 Greater HP potion 1 Tier 1 over-health - 1,550 col Link to post Share on other sites
Rain 0 Posted July 24, 2016 Author #67 Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) With a quick thud of the door, the wanderer slammed open the front door and quickly rushed to the back of a shop. He had no time to lounge about and he had wanted to farm materials some more today. That said, the wanderer quickly gets to work. After a few minutes and an initial loud explosion, the wanderer walks back out, black faced, as his face is completely covered in soot. He, however, has a huge smile as he happens to have made 4 perfect potions. 07/24/2016 ID Roll Quality Exp ID# 64616 Craft: 12 (11+1) Perfect +9 Exp ID# 64617 Craft: 6 (5+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 64618 Craft: 1 Crit Fail +2 Exp ID# 64619 Craft: 12 (11+1) Perfect +9 Exp ID# 64620 Craft: 10 (9+1) Rare +6 Exp ID# 64621 Craft: 7 (6+1) Uncommon +4 Exp ID# 64622 Craft: 5 (4+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 64623 Craft: 9 (8+1) Rare +6 Exp ID# 64624 Craft: 12 Perfect +9 Exp ID# 64625 Craft: 12 (11+1) Perfect +9 Exp ID# 64626 Craft: 5 (4+1) Good +3 Exp Results +63 Exp -17 Mats (6 for crystals)3 Good1 Minor Damage Potion I2 Greater Life Crystal II2 Major Power Crystal II 2 Major Armor Crystal II Edited July 24, 2016 by Rain Link to post Share on other sites
Zandra 0 Posted July 24, 2016 #68 Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) Zandra went back to the Wandering soul. She had a smile on her lips, a smile from ear to ear."Heya Rain!" She said when she spotted her fellow alchemist."How is it going? Im here to pay you back for last time. I only needed to use three of the mats I borrowed from you, and I'll pay them back as soon as possible. Also one left of the potions."She handed over the crafters respite."Also here is four more, made by me." She sent over four more potio s as well as 97 materials."I did work for hours, from dusk until dawn for two long days. But it dod paied of in reaching grandmaster as well as fiftytwo perfect potions." She said and gave him a tight hug."Thank you very much. If there ever is something you wonder or need help with, just send me a notice." She stepped back and looked at him, smiling. -97 materiams -1 crafters tonic -4 refreshing fluid Edited July 24, 2016 by Zandra Link to post Share on other sites
Rain 0 Posted July 25, 2016 Author #69 Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) Quote Received from Zandra 97 Materials 01 Crafter's Tonic [Crafter's Respite] 04 Refreshing Fluid[Crafter's Respite] Seeing Zandra send all that material back to the wanderer put a smile on the wanderer's face. For the past couple of days, he's been worried about how he'll manage to farm so many materials to keep up with the demands. "Sweet! Thanks for returning/reimbursing the materials and potions, I've been getting worried since I've been getting somewhat low on materials recently." Upon receiving the new materials and potions, the wanderer quickly got to work on more new potions for the day. He was just about to get to work on his crafts for the day and seeing Zandra drop by to give him back the materials really put him in a good mood. After a few minutes of working on making potions, a couple of loud explosions echoed through the shop. This was normal, however, in the wanderer's little store. As he walked back out, something looked odd about him. His face was cover it soot, like what usually happens after an explosion, but this time, something was strangely wrong. The wanderer's left eyes seems to have gone red while his other eye grew darker, almost like as dark as bottomless pit. Whether this is to be permanent, no one knows for sure. 07/25/2016 ID Roll Quality Exp ID# 64713 Craft: 7 (6+1) Uncommon +4 Exp ID# 64714 Craft: 10 (9+1) Rare +6 Exp ID# 64715 Craft: 12 Perfect +9 Exp ID# 64716 Craft: 5 (4+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 64717 Craft: 10 (9+1) Rare +6 Exp ID# 64718 Craft: 12 Perfect +9 Exp ID# 64719 Craft: 1 Crit Fail +2 Exp ID# 64720 Craft: 10 (9+1) Rare +6 Exp ID# 64721 Craft: 12 (11+1) Perfect +9 Exp ID# 64722 Craft: 7 (6+1) Uncommon +4 Exp ID# 64723 Craft: 1 Crit Fail +2 Exp Results+60 Exp -17 Mats (6 Extra for crystals)1 Good1 Minor Damage Potion I 1 Minor Damage Potion II3 Greater Life Crystal II1 Major Power Crystal II 1 Major Armor Crystal II 1 Major Life Crystal II Edited July 25, 2016 by Rain Link to post Share on other sites
Hikoru 0 Posted July 25, 2016 #70 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Hikoru sighed as he entered the building, looking around the store. He had asked for a Damage Potion, hopefully Tier 2, for any upcoming boss or event boss fights, so he could be well prepared. He sighed and looked around the shop, seeing what there was around. He saw what looked to be a MIT Potion, and he decided to [censored] that as well. Seeing as how he had almost died at the last boss fight because he didn't have enough MIT on him. He breathed and came up to the counter, setting one of them down with a small smile "Is there a way I can have this item as well? It may come in handy." He said with a small chuckle. He set down all of his remaining Materials, as he had no use of them since he was planning to close his shop for the time being +1 T2 MIT Potion +1 T2 Damage Potion -37 Materials Link to post Share on other sites
Rain 0 Posted July 25, 2016 Author #71 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Quote Items to Hikoru 01 Major Damage Potion II 01 Major Mitigation Potion II Received37 Mats from Hikoru "Are you sure you want to give me that much materials?" The wanderer paused for a second as he contemplated what his motives were. He wasn't exactly sure as to why the player would give so much extra mats and after a long second of contemplation, there was no real motive. "Well... thanks for the donation." Link to post Share on other sites
Rain 0 Posted July 26, 2016 Author #72 Share Posted July 26, 2016 (edited) The wanderer slowly pushed his way through the door of his little caravan shop. His left still scarred red from yesterday's accident. His right eye still damaged with a dark color, but it seems as though the color has gotten lighter. Now, it seems to be more of a light brown color, but that is still a large difference from his old azure eyes. He still doesn't know what happened and how he can fix this, but this is going to take some time. With that thought going through his mind, he quickly gets to work on his daily crafts. After a few minutes, and one loud explosion, the wanderer walks back out to the front of the shop to store his new potions. It seems as though he managed to make 4 perfect potions. 07/26/2016 ID Roll Quality Exp ID# 64811 Craft: 7 (6+1) Uncommon +4 Exp ID# 64812 Craft: 7 (6+1) Uncommon +4 Exp ID# 64813 Craft: 11 (10+1) Perfect +9 Exp ID# 64814 Craft: 7 (6+1) Uncommon +4 Exp ID# 64815 Craft: 6 (5+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 64816 Craft: 1 Crit Fail +2 Exp ID# 64817 Craft: 12 Perfect +9 Exp ID# 64818 Craft: 9 (8+1) Rare +6 Exp ID# 64819 Craft: 5 (4+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 64820 Craft: 12 Perfect +9 Exp ID# 64821 Craft: 11 (10+1) Perfect +9 Exp Results+62 Exp -15 Mats (4 extra for crystals)2 Good3 Minor Damage Potion II1 Greater Life Crystal II1 Over Life II 3 Major Life Crystal II Edited July 27, 2016 by Rain Link to post Share on other sites
Rain 0 Posted July 27, 2016 Author #73 Share Posted July 27, 2016 (edited) The wanderer quickly pushes through the doors of The Wandering Soul. He had no time for game. Just is it was yesterday, so it shall be today. His new eyes seems to have given himself a sinister look about him since he last went around town. He had noticed that all the surrounding NPCs and players that knew or have seen him gave him a peculiar look. One that is usually done to someone who they resent or is afraid of. What the wanderer could've done, he doesn't know. The only thing that's changed about him were his eyes. Perhaps his short temper became more prominent than before, but other than that, his usual blunt, kuudere self is still there. The wanderer didn't take long, to finish his potions for the day. As he's gained experience over the weeks, his speed in crafting potions have steadily been increased. Almost that of a grandmaster. He quickly stores his new potions that he made and then he made his way to the door to head out once more. One can never have enough materials. 07/27/2016 ID Roll Quality Exp ID# 64883 Craft: 6 (5+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 64884 Craft: 12 (11+1) Perfect +9 Exp ID# 64885 Craft: 3 (2+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 64886 Craft: 12 (11+1) Perfect +9 Exp ID# 64887 Craft: 9 (8+1) Rare +6 Exp ID# 64888 Craft: 5 (4+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 64889 Craft: 11 (10+1) Perfect +9 Exp ID# 64890 Craft: 10 (9+1) Rare +6 Exp ID# 64891 Craft: 12 (11+1) Perfect +9 Exp ID# 64892 Craft: 11 (10+1) Perfect +9 Exp ID# 64893 Craft: 10 (9+1) Rare +6 Exp Results +72 Exp -11 Mats3 Good3 Greater Damage Potion II5 Major Damage Potion II Edited July 27, 2016 by Rain Link to post Share on other sites
Macradon 0 Posted July 28, 2016 #74 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Macradon had to stockpile more potions, simple +4 potions were not even close to be enough damage when he was out farming anymore. His level attracted too strong mobs for him to slay with his mere 17 damage, he needed to get up to 19 so be able to do anything. He would sigh as Zandra had taken the most of the alchemy field, but Macradon knew this other person, a fellow Guild member under House Blood Oath. A shop located on the 4th floor was an alchemist, a person he knew, a person he was out on a dungeon delve with recently, Rain. Walking into the shop, Macradon would greet him, if he stood in the same room. "Hey Rain, what's up?" he wold ask before giving his order "I'll need 5 Perfect Tier 2 damage potions, I need to stockpile them, mat farming is getting harder as the levels rise" he said and would assume the price as he would slide a sack over the counter to rain, containing 30 Mats. - 30 Mats Link to post Share on other sites
Rain 0 Posted July 28, 2016 Author #75 Share Posted July 28, 2016 (edited) Quote Items to Macradon 05 Major Damage Potion II [+6 Damage Potion] 30 Materials recieved The wanderer quickly pushes through his shop door and quickly got to work. His eye still glowed crimson red as it seems he still hasn't found a way to fix this accident. It didn't take the wanderer long. After a few minutes, he quickly comes back out to the front of the shop and stores his new potions. It was an okay day. He only managed to make 2 perfect potions. But still, he still managed perfect potions. Most people still have a hard time making perfects. 07/28/2016 ID Roll Quality Exp ID# 64972 Craft: 3 (2+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 64973 Craft: 8 (7+1) Uncommon +4 Exp ID# 64974 Craft: 4 (3+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 64975 Craft: 10 (9+1) Rare +6 Exp ID# 64976 Craft: 10 (9+1) Rare +6 Exp ID# 64977 Craft: 4 (3+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 64978 Craft: 11 (10+1) Perfect +9 Exp ID# 64979 Craft: 3 (2+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 64980 Craft: 12 (11+1) Perfect +9 Exp ID# 64981 Craft: 5 (4+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 64982 Craft: 1 Crit Fail +2 Exp Results +51 Exp -11 Mats5 Good1 Minor Health Potion I2 Greater Damage Potion II2 Major Damage Potion II Edited July 28, 2016 by Rain Link to post Share on other sites
Rain 0 Posted July 29, 2016 Author #76 Share Posted July 29, 2016 (edited) Pushing through the store door, the red eyed wanderer quickly made his way to the back door. Recently, he's felt the grind and stress hit him from all the constant crafting of potions. For the past 4 months, he's worked constantly nonstop without much rest or any real break. He didn't want to accept it and have been denying it, but recently, his work has been sluggish and somewhat boring. "Perhaps, it's time to close shop for a bit to take a break." he told himself. But there were all those customers that rely on his potions. After a few minutes and a loud explosion, he comes back out with some soot on his face. He quickly stores his new potions and grabbed his things. As he walked out, he flips the signs on his store. "BRB, pm me if it's important." - Rain. 07/29/2016 ID Roll Quality Exp ID# 65041 Craft: 8 (7+1) Uncommon +4 Exp ID# 65042 Craft: 6 (5+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 65043 Craft: 12 (11+1) Perfect +9 Exp ID# 65044 Craft: 12 (11+1) Perfect +9 Exp ID# 65045 Craft: 6 (5+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 65046 Craft: 4 (3+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 65047 Craft: 12 Perfect +9 Exp ID# 65048 Craft: 4 (3+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 65049 Craft: 8 (7+1) Uncommon +4 Exp ID# 65050 Craft: 11 (10+1) Perfect +9 Exp ID# 65051 Craft: 1 Crit Fail +2 Exp Results +58 Exp -11 Mats4 Good2 Minor Health Potion I2 Major Mitigation Potion II2 Over Life II Edited July 29, 2016 by Rain Link to post Share on other sites
Rain 0 Posted July 30, 2016 Author #77 Share Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) Storming into his own shop, the wanderer quickly makes a beeline to his workshop to begin cranking out potions. Yesterday, he had received a fairly large order from one of the stronger players in the game. Wanting to not make the player wait, the wanderer woke up early this morning and quickly got to work on making potions. After a few minutes and a loud explosion, the red eyed wanderer walks back out of his backdoor and begins storing potions. At a closer look on his results, the wanderer had managed to make four perfect potions. That's 4 perfect potions closer to completing the large order. 07/30/2016 ID Roll Quality Exp ID# 65089 Craft: 12 (11+1) Perfect +9 Exp ID# 65090 Craft: 10 (9+1) Rare +6 Exp ID# 65091 Craft: 12 Perfect +9 Exp ID# 65092 Craft: 4 (3+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 65093 Craft: 12 (11+1) Perfect +9 Exp ID# 65094 Craft: 4 (3+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 65095 Craft: 5 (4+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 65096 Craft: 11 (10+1) Perfect +9 Exp ID# 65097 Craft: 4 (3+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 65098 Craft: 8 (7+1) Uncommon +4 Exp ID# 65099 Craft: 1 Crit Fail +2 Exp Results+60 Exp -11 Mats4 Good1 Minor Health Potion I1 Greater Health Potion II4 Guardian's Tonic Edited July 30, 2016 by Rain Link to post Share on other sites
Rain 0 Posted July 31, 2016 Author #78 Share Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) Like a breeze blowing through a silent forest, the wanderer pushes through the door and quickly makes his way to the back room, where he makes his potions. Yesterday was a pretty productive day, in that he managed to make 4 perfect potions. He had hoped it would be the same today. After a few minutes of concocting potions and finishing it off with a fairly loud explosion, the wanderer walks back to the front of his shop, covered in soot, like usual, and begins to store his new potions. It wasn't as productive as yesterday was, but hey, he still managed to make 2 perfect potions, most people struggle making one perfect. 07/31/2016 ID Roll Quality Exp ID# 65173 Craft: 4 (3+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 65174 Craft: 12 (11+1) Perfect +9 Exp ID# 65175 Craft: 12 (11+1) Perfect +9 Exp ID# 65176 Craft: 5 (4+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 65177 Craft: 9 (8+1) Rare +6 Exp ID# 65178 Craft: 7 (6+1) Uncommon +4 Exp ID# 65179 Craft: 10 (9+1) Rare +6 Exp ID# 65180 Craft: 8 (7+1) Uncommon +4 Exp ID# 65181 Craft: 3 (2+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 65182 Craft: 8 (7+1) Uncommon +4 Exp ID# 65183 Craft: 1 Crit Fail +2 Exp Results+53 Exp -11 Mats3 Good3 Minor Health Potion I2 Greater Health Potion II2 Guardian's Tonic Edited July 31, 2016 by Rain Link to post Share on other sites
Rain 0 Posted August 1, 2016 Author #79 Share Posted August 1, 2016 (edited) The wanderer took a deep breath in before pushing through the door of The Wandering Soul, his little shop for a couple of months now. For the past couple of month, he has been working hard for almost every single day. The only time, he’s not crafting are the day he has no materials, so he would spend most of that day hunting materials. Which was sad, but true. But now, he has a large supply of materials – thanks to Takao – and has been steadily raising levels, but that didn’t seem to satisfy him anymore. Pushing through the door and taking a few steps in, he began to looking around his little caravan. This old thing has serve him for such a long time, but as of late, he’s had thoughts of maybe settling down at a home and using that as his shop. He just doesn’t know what floor and how would it all cost. After a few more minutes of thinking deeply, he decided to just ignore his thoughts, as it was getting close to the end of his day, he needs to do his crafts already so he can get it reset on time. After a few minute of toiling in the back of the shop, he walks back out to the front and stores his new potions. His faced looked that of utter disappointment. He had managed to make one perfect potion, and the rest Goods and Uncommon. Not even a single rare potion was made. 08/01/2016 ID Roll Quality Exp ID# 65285 Craft: 12 (11+1) Perfect +9 Exp ID# 65286 Craft: 7 (6+1) Uncommon +4 Exp ID# 65287 Craft: 8 (7+1) Uncommon +4 Exp ID# 65288 Craft: 8 (7+1) Uncommon +4 Exp ID# 65289 Craft: 7 (6+1) Uncommon +4 Exp ID# 65290 Craft: 7 (6+1) Uncommon +4 Exp ID# 65291 Craft: 3 (2+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 65292 Craft: 6 (5+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 65293 Craft: 3 (2+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 65294 Craft: 5 (4+1) Good +3 Exp ID# 65295 Craft: 5 (4+1) Good +3 Exp Results+44 Exp -11 Mats5 Good5 Minor Health Potion I1 Guardian's Tonic Edited August 1, 2016 by Rain Link to post Share on other sites
Morgenstern 1 Posted August 2, 2016 #80 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Jonathan walked into the Caravn. He knew the Alchemist from the times he gave out free potions. He walked up to the boy and said, "Hey, May I please Have the Major Mitigation Potion? I might need it down the road..." He made the form and handed it to the boy. Jonathan stood waiting for the transaction to be made. He had enough col by far. He just needed the potion. Jonathan himself could not craft them yet. So he might need the potion soon. Spoiler Name: - (I'll name it for you. :3) Item Type: Status Potion Tier: 1Quality: , Perfect Enhancements: +27 MitigationDescription: A pale yellowish liquid in a vial that increases mitigation by 27.Price: 450 Col Link to post Share on other sites
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